divinity's little scam

[tBANNA]

First of all I see myself force to bring a topic from calypso here, but somehow is part of the game not only a planet related since a Bank was created to serve the all players from all planets.

all those said I hope is nothing against any rule , and I ask if is a case of editing or removing something from my post to be asked and I will make corrections, situation that supposed to be normal and pointed on PCF, but seems there some moderators when have a bit o power they tend to act like a$$holes.

after deleting my post on the first time, i understood the rule of not sharing any name is not ok, but forbidding me to talk again is something i cannot accept, not at all, i lived in communism and I know what that can do, the freedom to express and say what u have to say should not be censored.


ofc i got mad seeing what he told me so I reacted.... who sane can reply to someone and bann him for expressing himself freely whit out broking any rule whit this " argue whit moderators. reposted moderated content" , if was moderated I posted totally different, what content?? the result was this.


now the original story.... same as was in the first place ( if kris want me to edit something I will just to pint me what to do )

 

[tBANNA]

So, after I had few talks whit some friends of mine and explained what happened, the conclusion was to let ppl know bout a risk they can take, trusting someone who supposed be a friend in the first place, as he posed in the last months.

I had in PA Bank a Corrosive FEN edition since I don't use it to have more peds to circle , but Divinity told me to move it to his bank after few talks, and I was told him I like PA bank cause I have more time to refresh the loan, since is 2 months instead of 1 month what he has there.

He told me to move it to his bank cause if it happens to expire by mistake is going to be safe he will keep it and assured me I will get the item back, so I did moved the item and I let him know that, he reassured me is ok.

Guess what ...yeah, I was out attending to a festival and I had no idea the loan voucher has a different time reset then those mining claims where u have the number of hours till expire,


The weird shit starts now when I try to explain myself some odd shits happened,


1. I log in 2hour after the item expired, that is 2h.**m past 00.00 MA time, and I pm him, and he's off.
2. I get a pm not long after I sent that off msg in game, and he said to me, he sold the item cause he didn't knew was mine.
3. he told me he has to log..bla bla.. and ran away for days..like a guilty shit
4.he didn't excused himself a bit, he just tried to pose as he forgot in the first place, second as he didn't knew was mine.
5.he dropped me this nonsense bomb he cant keep track for items he has ...wait....are more like me????

-WTF, how come I was saying u didn't knew was mine I told him I have the item in his bank..but now comes the excuses
- he said to me were there in bank at a point 2 items and he had no idea this one was mine.....OMG , this fuck attitude and solution is to sell first and ask later or...wtf?
-Geez...I told him were past 00.00 MA time only 2 hours and he was offline when I go on, how come he sold it soo damn fast?
- he told me he saw the item pupped in bank and he toke it like he hit a Jackpot! and he sold it to his associate Aurisk Morey Kenbi,
- I ask him in those 2 hours he managed to sell the item? and he didn't thought to keep it for a few just before selling knowing I have one there jut to avoid a mistake? I asked an explanation from him.....
-His argument was this, he cant keep track of items cause are 2 months and I supposed to remind him?

....WTF I was thinking ..I have to take responsibility for something he said he will? since when I have to do that?...I mean I had my responsibility when I had the item in PA cause was enough time to go and reset the loan, but since he told me to move to his bank he toke that responsibility to him, cause was half time the loan than PA, and I told him is the only reason I keep it there, and he said will be ok, item is safe in case I forgot or dint get the chance to renew the loan.... now is not ok anymore ?....WTF

so after this little shit he went offline for a week, offline means more than usual for him, some tried to pm him he was off, ...puff, disappeared whit the JACKPOT as he said, and one more and interesting detail, Morey, from a catty guy he was prior... now when I saw he is trying to sell it on forum and in game started to act like an ass, no more chat, no more small talks, like someone who knew is not right something in the picture
- I asked morey 4 days after this when he got the chip from divinity?
- he told me a timeframe that absurd I had a laugh, he said he has it from a week or so.....

those are the ppl and the attitude towards customers.

The main point after this is how come....he didn't tried to fix it , not even a little bit, was absolutely convenient for him that I forgot and the lame excuses after were totally bullshit, he just vanished, no remorse no nothing he just log off and that's it, he got the JackPot as he said and waited a week to forget or leave it be.

how come when u have an associate and that associate didn't sell the chip u cant fix it if u REALLY want?
how come u didn't tried to fix the mess u created? your own responsibility and fault ?
how come u sold the chip in no time... were 2 hours and u sold it already?
how come u sold it to your associate????... how convenient


I don't give a fuck for the chip and for the loss, if for a PE Bank owner having someone scammed and making some ped's taking his item like this is called JACKPOT..I m out of words, really out of words


take care and don't forget, ppl tend to forget shits that didn't happened to them.

cheers

 

[tBANNA]

I hear now some talks around the corner, like he wanted me to tell him each time I was refreshing loan, ...dooh , first of all he didn't said that in the first place, second is stupid I can take the item since was for sale and show to players...so each time I do that I have to report....wtf is whit those lame excuses...anyhow

I don't care what he want to find now as an excuse, the rules were basic simple

move the item from PA to Twin, in case I forget or I don't have the possibility to refresh the loan he is my safe net, so I don't care for all the other stuffs ... is simple as fk.

beside a friend as he posed should not get to fast and sell before ask, if he cared to, ..sold to his associate, woow, and the timeframe? 2 hours after expiration... no shit

 

[penethol]

So you got a loan on the chip, did not pay the fee's? It expires and divinity sells it?

 

[tBANNA]

yes, I moved the item to his bank and I was taking it and replacing it each month, but this time I didn't got the chance since I was out attending to a festival, when I got home the item expired 2h+, so I pm him, knowing he told me if is the case I forget or I don't get the chance to renew the loan, he told me he sold it to his associate, he saw the item and was like a jackpot for him.

wasn't normal for him to ask first (as he promised if is the case)..

" Banna I have received an item Corro FEN in bank , someone didn't paid the rent and bank own it, is it yours? cause I have a buyier and I want to sell it" ?

ask before act.. if u care.. but no he sold it like never ever had made that promise and made me move it.
now he's playing dumb whit lame excuses.

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Sorry to bring the shitstorm here, but I got a few private messages asking about it. I wrote this post to explain a bit more about what happened.

Here are the facts as I see them:

1. I had a good deal at PA bank. I was pawning a Corrosive XIII FEN edition chip for up to 2 months which gave me plenty of time to remember to refinance my loan. Plenty of time was very important for me so I could avoid expiration on an item just sitting around getting dusty in storage.

1a) Later on I spoke with Divinity and he convinced me that Twin Peaks bank was a better deal.
1b) The deal was that if the loan expired, Divinity would keep it aside.

2. In order to REFINANCE you need to get the item out of the bank and put it back. There is no other way to do it, PERIOD.

3. Money was never my problem, EVER, PERIOD

4. I made a deal with Divinity and Twin Peaks bank for only that one item (Corrosive XIII FEN). The deal wasn't for me in general only for that item. There is no room for excuses or misinterpretation.

4. I had 2 options. I could place the item in the Twin Peaks bank or give it directly to Divinity. I chose to put the item in Twin Peaks bank for the simple reason that I need the item sometimes and could get it back at any time from the bank automatically.
4a) The item was placed in the bank: 2019-03-17 13:03:25 [FROM: DDU] its already set @ bank m8
4b) I wanted to use it from time to time, I cant have an item locked to someone who I have to meet with just to use the item. I wanted the item back at my discretion.
4c) I had the item for sale and I wanted a price that wasn't much up for negotiation so I knew it would take some time to sell.
The sale thread started at 06-18-2019, 01:23 link here: Selling: - Selling
4d) If the pawned item is up for sale someone may want to try it, so I would need it right away.
(or I need to check tier rates or screenshot the item etc)

5. No excuses. "I forgot" and "ok just let me know if it's about to expire..." I told him from the start money is not an issue. Convenience is an issue. Losing the item is an issue. If all I need from him is to keep it when I forget than how is "tell me if it is about to expire" helpful? From time to time I take the item out and put it back in as mentioned above. However it's always the SAME ITEM, so I thought he would check with me if it did expire unexpectedly.

6. Why would I use Twin peaks bank instead of continuing to use PA bank? Yes, Twin Peaks is cheaper, however the main reason I chose Twin Peaks bank was for the agreed upon safety net in case I forgot to renew the loan in time. That gave me peace of mind.

7. Here is the story Divinity told me:

"The day i return from vacation is when i find the chip is unpaid. I also saw that the bank was low on funds as all the funds were loaned out to people ( We get notifications when people try taking loans and the fund is not there in the bank). I contacted 3 resellers ....... the third ( morey ) who is also a partner in the fund that runs the bank agreed to do a favorable deal ( discounted price on the chip). The deal was struck and the funds were collected to put in the bank."

"A couple hours later the individual in question leaves messages while i was offline and again when i was online"

"He mentioned how i was cheating him and that i had promised him to look after the chip. I explained to him that I had looked after it and he had already taken it out back then."

"If he again puts the chip back the least he could have done is inform me of the same. I handle a lot of loans with various items and it is impossible for me to keep track of items indefinitely."

"I had no news from him for the next 10-12 days and then I see his post on pcf claiming I had scammed him and him spreading the same news everywhere ingame. Needless to say I was extremely pissed at his behaviour of blaming without even trying to get my help to sort it out. I later found out that he did not speak to morey for roughly 7-8 days after me asking him to and when he did he was extremely rude and called him off without even trying to salvage a deal."

--- end of Divinity's messages ---

7a) I logged in just over 2 hours after 00:00 expiration time. So the logic is you were online from 00:00 to no later than 02:30 and your bank was low on funds and you had just returned from vacation so you sold the chip in this time window?

7b) Divinity sold the chip to morey, but morey is actually a investment partner in Twin Peaks bank and also liable and active in keeping the float supplied. My chip wasn't actually sold to a separate entity but someone who is still part of the bank.

7c) He points out I took the chip out of the bank at least 1 time and put it back in.
He claims taking the chip out 1 time nullified the deal to keep it safe.
I took the chip out to refinance it. We had talked about 1 month vs 2 month loans
To me, it seemed obvious a 2 month loan would require "taking it out 1 time" under 1 month system.
So it didn't occur to me that refinancing the item could possibly nullify the deal to keep it safe.

7d) He says I should have informed him the chip was being refinanced.
How should I now a rule that wasn't stated? I think he should have informed me of the need to inform.
He could argue "I told you to warn me it would expire." but on refinance an item NEVER expires.

7e) With his initial explanation Divinity was telling me morey is now the owner of the chip
and that it was somehow now my responsibility to get my chip back from morey
(morey is a partner of Divinity and more importantly part of Twin Peaks bank)
Divinity's view on this matter is clarified with his later complaint about my PCF post
"... blaming without even trying to get my help to sort it out. ..."
I informed Divinity my chip was expired and missing. How is that not asking for help?
I feel it was Divinity's responsibility to follow through on the deal we made.
I feel Divinity had every opportunity to make things right and chose not to.
Mechanically in the Entropia rules: Every trade is final.
I think we just need to remember that is how Divinity feels he should conduct business.

8) This is what morey had to say:

2019-08-08 05:25:36 [FROM: AMK] I dunno anything about ur details with bank
2019-08-08 05:26:01 [FROM: AMK] or the agrement u guys had

If morey is a partner of the bank who propped up the float in a troublesome time, don't you think Divinity should have possibly included him in the deal? It's possible morey wouldn't want to give back the chip at cost, but isn't that between morey and Divinity? Why should I have to suffer losing my item to the "fair market" when I own it?

I gave Divinity and morey plenty of time to talk among themselves and fix the problem. They are partners after all and both owners of Twin Peaks bank so I thought this should be an easy problem to sort out.

When I saw that Divinity didn't lift a finger to help me, I acted accordingly.
I did speak with Divinity before creating the first PCF thread.

9) More recently Divinity fought back with these words:

"A little more backdrop about the individual. He is the same guy I had asked the fund to payout on an event where he used techniques which were giving him an unfair advantage. We paid out 5k+ to him despite the fact that we could have just banned him and not paid. He was as a matter of fact not paid by the other LA event he was participating in using the same advantage."

So Divinity wants to drag up the past.
Perhaps he should have pointed out he doesn't like me before making a deal with me.

In the land area event he asked me repeatedly how I got so many globals. Finally I told him. At which point he changed the rules mid-event. After that I lost my advantage and interest in hunting his land areas.

Heres my secret: If you increase decay, you tend toward larger returns. For the same creatures, larger returns tend to trip the global limit more often. I used a weapon with horrible decay (swine deluxe).

I did win 3568 PED from Divinity and partners.

OK, so should I feel scammed is the question?
Selling: - Selling
looking to sell this beauty Corrosive Attack Nanochip 13, FEN Edition look for me if u r interested 25k ch...

Now logs:

PRIOR:
2019-03-17 13:02:38 [TO : DDU] hey mate
2019-03-17 13:02:44 [FROM: DDU] hey m8
2019-03-17 13:03:11 [TO : DDU] can u take my corro XIII FEN as colat for a loan? fee and all that
2019-03-17 13:03:25 [FROM: DDU] its already set @ bank m8
2019-03-17 13:03:29 [FROM: DDU] the corro XIII that is
2019-03-17 13:03:46 [TO : DDU] i know wanted to be for 2 months to not get stressed
2019-03-17 13:03:54 [TO : DDU] i put it there already
2019-03-17 13:04:02 [TO : DDU] 30 mins ago or so
2019-03-17 13:04:14 [FROM: DDU] ok just let me know if its about to expire
2019-03-17 13:04:18 [FROM: DDU] i'll keep it aside
2019-03-17 13:04:21 [FROM: DDU] so dont worry
2019-03-17 13:04:23 [TO : DDU] cheers
2019-03-17 13:04:27 [TO : DDU] u rock
2019-03-17 13:04:27 [FROM: DDU] just inform me if thats to happen
2019-03-17 13:04:34 [TO : DDU] ty vm
2019-03-17 13:09:54 [FROM: DDU] what u gonna do with the peds man?
2019-03-17 13:11:04 [FROM: DDU] oh why PA buds?
2019-03-17 13:11:49 [TO : DDU] umm was the 2 months period who made me drop there
2019-03-17 13:11:59 [TO : DDU] i m afraid to not forget mate
2019-03-17 13:12:08 [TO : DDU] not the ped itself is the issue
2019-03-17 13:12:25 [TO : DDU] is me.. to not friggin forget a=to shoot miself

AFTER:
2019-08-02 04:17:34 [TO : DDU] cause i was at festival and i had no idea when 02 aug pup up is ended
2019-08-02 04:17:51 [TO : DDU] thought has to do whit the fking hour i put it in
2019-08-02 04:18:15 [TO : DDU] i had a reminder to do that but at 00.00 MA time, bum
2019-08-02 04:18:33 [TO : DDU] and i was out at the festival drinking
2019-08-02 04:18:47 [TO : DDU] just got home 1h ago or so
2019-08-02 04:28:52 [FROM: DDU] hey.. sucks man cause i had sold the chip to morey when i got it.. i was like jackpot for the bank fund
2019-08-02 04:29:22 [TO : DDU] u mean few h ago?
2019-08-02 04:29:26 [FROM: DDU] yes
2019-08-02 04:29:34 [TO : DDU] omg... geez
2019-08-02 04:29:59 [TO : DDU] i told u mate i have that chip in your bank
2019-08-02 04:30:13 [FROM: DDU] that was long back m8
2019-08-02 04:30:20 [TO : DDU] 2 months ago
2019-08-02 04:30:26 [TO : DDU] not to long
2019-08-02 04:30:35 [FROM: DDU] exactly.. and there were 2 chips in there
2019-08-02 04:30:45 [TO : DDU] 2 corro?
2019-08-02 04:30:46 [FROM: DDU] 2 corrosive 13 that is
2019-08-02 04:30:50 [FROM: DDU] yes
2019-08-02 04:31:01 [FROM: DDU] it doesnt show to me who's the item is
2019-08-02 04:31:11 [FROM: DDU] we get no info etc just item name
2019-08-02 04:39:11 [TO : DDU] i have 2 ofers on forum, pending, is 4:38 MA time, and i m online [System]: Session time: 02:01:05
2019-08-02 04:39:42 [TO : DDU] means 2 and a half hour before i log in u sold it?
2019-08-02 04:40:37 [FROM: DDU] bank is low on funds to loan out.. so when a big item comes usually i contact all resellers and give them good price
2019-08-02 04:41:01 [FROM: DDU] its profitable for the bank + also i don't have peds locked in big items
2019-08-02 04:42:12 [TO : DDU] is not about that, is about i give u a heads up i have the item there, and i just could get home faster,
2019-08-02 04:42:28 [TO : DDU] i tried, i lost 3h after 00 MA time
2019-08-02 04:42:29 [FROM: DDU] u did not buds. If you had i would have kept my eyes out
2019-08-02 04:42:46 [FROM: DDU] like Dr Ing told me in advance his item might expire
2019-08-02 04:43:09 [FROM: DDU] so many people tell me and i always keep the items for them even if they miss it and it expire
2019-08-02 04:44:02 [TO : DDU] and when u saw that corro FEN u just jumped to sell it in 2.5 h right after u got it, that was way to fast
2019-08-02 04:44:25 [FROM: DDU] na i got a 20k offer and to me even if its worth more it was easier to sell for that
2019-08-02 04:44:45 [TO : DDU] i mean i would neve thought u dont get the idea to hold it for a min untill i get on, since i tol u before i have a corro to your bank
2019-08-02 04:44:56 [TO : DDU] just to hold it, was under 3h mate
2019-08-02 04:45:22 [FROM: DDU] buds.. u told me long back.. and tbh i dint even remember it.. I can't remember all the items for months
2019-08-02 04:45:53 [FROM: DDU] If something someone has in bank and there is a chance of it to expire they usually tell me and i keep my eyes out for it
2019-08-02 04:47:38 [FROM: DDU] need to log..i'll be back in a few hour


more logs:

2019-08-08 05:16:13 [TO : AMK] man u and divinity are a piece of work
2019-08-08 05:16:29 [TO : AMK] why i could not saw that earlier
2019-08-08 05:18:35 [FROM: AMK] ??
2019-08-08 05:18:58 [TO : AMK] i feel scammed man, i had an understanding whit him regardin the corro FEN
2019-08-08 05:19:05 [TO : AMK] now i see u sellin it
2019-08-08 05:19:31 [TO : AMK] he put me to move the chip from PA where i had 2 months time to Twin bank
2019-08-08 05:19:57 [TO : AMK] and i told him if i by mistake forget to reloan it to take care of me
2019-08-08 05:20:02 [TO : AMK] he did the oposite
2019-08-08 05:20:24 [TO : AMK] making excuses that he forgot or bullshits that were 2 in bank
2019-08-08 05:20:43 [TO : AMK] i loged in after the loan expired few mins afer 2h
2019-08-08 05:20:52 [TO : AMK] told me he sold it to u
2019-08-08 05:21:05 [TO : AMK] he told me was a jackpot
2019-08-08 05:21:28 [TO : AMK] really... and now he play the dimb and the offline
2019-08-08 05:21:42 [TO : AMK] pice of shit both of ya, no honor no nothing
2019-08-08 05:25:36 [FROM: AMK] I dunno anything about ur details with bank
2019-08-08 05:26:01 [FROM: AMK] or the agrement u guys had
2019-08-08 05:26:03 [TO : AMK] oh, right, when did u got the corro?
2019-08-08 05:30:11 [TO : AMK] is hard to say when or?
2019-08-08 05:34:44 [FROM: AMK] well i got it from him a week ago or so.
2019-08-08 05:35:09 [TO : AMK] lol
2019-08-08 05:35:13 [TO : AMK] impossible
2019-08-08 05:38:26 [TO : AMK] can u list the forst 5 tier rates?

 

[Spawn]

the item expired 2h+

This is where it isn't a scam. I feel sorry for your loss, but you know what they say in entropia, "all trades are final"

by the way, if this thread gets deleted here because it's not cyrene related, you can also try on http://www.entropiaplanets.com/

 

[Divinity]

I had respond to his original post on pcf but that thread itself got deleted along with my side of the story. Today i was linked this on cyreneforum and would like to post a response to the above accusation.

I am here to straighten out the facts pertaining to the individual who has accused me of scamming. I believe I am within my rights to clear the air of all the false data being propogated as truth.


Timeline : 3 month before the lapse of the loan is when the individual in concern had a discussion with me regarding putting his Chip in my bank. I gave him two options:


1. To give it to me directly as a loan with collateral ( which is done very often) especially when people have a chance to default or just want it to remain with me securely.


2. He can put it in the bank and I will make sure that for the period ( which is a max of 1 month) I will look out for the item in case any issues arise.

The said item was put in the bank and removed before the time period lapsed. Also during the current period there were 2 similar chips on the bank ( I don't know who else had his as the name of the person is not shown in the loan terminal to the owner of the bank)

It is a well known fact that I have not only kept items for people who have informed me of items that they might not be able to retrieve before the lapse of 1 month loan period but also in cases where the item was not sold, I returned it with no penalties besides the loan interest overdue.

Fast forward 3 months and I have no clue what is in the bank and i have not been contacted by the above individual about any further loans. The day i return from vacation is when i find the chip is unpaid. I also saw that the bank was low on funds as all the funds were loaned out to people ( We get notifications when people try taking loans and the fund is not there in the bank). I contacted 3 resellers i knew to see if a quick deal can be made. 2 of them did not have cash enough and the third ( morey ) who is also a partner in the fund that runs the bank agreed to do a favorable deal ( discounted price on the chip). The deal was struck and the funds were collected to put in the bank.

A couple hours later the individual in question leaves messages while i was offline and again when i was online. He mentioned how i was cheating him and that i had promised him to look after the chip. I explained to him that I had looked after it and he had already taken it out back then. If he again puts the chip back the least he could have done is inform me of the same. I handle a lot of loans with various items and it is impossible for me to keep track of items indefinitely. I also told him about how the deal went down and to speak to morey.

I had no news from him for the next 10-12 days and then I see his post on pcf claiming I had scammed him and him spreading the same news everywhere ingame. Needless to say I was extremely pissed at his behaviour of blaming without even trying to get my help to sort it out. I later found out that he did not speak to morey for roughly 7-8 days after me asking him to and when he did he was extremely rude and called him off without even trying to salvage a deal.

A little more backdrop about the individual. He is the same guy I had asked the fund to payout on an event where he used techniques which were giving him an unfair advantage. We paid out 5k+ to him despite the fact that we could have just banned him and not paid. He was as a matter of fact not paid by the other LA event he was participating in using the same advantage.

I do not like being held at gun point when I have done nothing wrong and was willing to go beyond to help resolve a situation. I do not take kindly to threats or accusations of manipulation or scams. I was approached by a few friends of his regarding solving the issue to which I explained to them that he had already hurt me as much as he could by spreading completely wrong information, be it timelines or his own complete lack of willingness to solve the issues. Now that he has already done the damage, I am unwilling to now move on my part as every action has consequence and he shall have to bear the consequence of his as well.

A request to cyreneforum admins that this thread not be removed otherwise I will again have to go through this somewhere else. I would prefer to keep all details transparent at one place.

Cheers,

Divinity

 

[Lilmc | Cyrene]

Hey everyone!

I've decided to go ahead and lock this thread from further comments and will leave Divinity post up. Cyrene is unable to take action against any play accused of possible scamming. If you feel you were scammed I suggest posting a ticket with MindArk.

-Lilmc