Hey Kris.. wanna do a favor?

[Menace]

Just wondering if you could maybe spawn some Stalker Tide Claws before they get "Adjusted" speed wise with the next update? I'd love to try some before they have the speed of a gazelle!

Menace

 

[Kris | Cyrene]

Hey Menace!

I can see about setting up something special with them, it will depend on the timing though.

Cheers,
Kris

P.S. Any possible Tide Claw changes are still being finalized although I don't think they will end up gazelle like.

 

[Nor Alien]

Hey Menace!

I can see about setting up something special with them, it will depend on the timing though.

Cheers,
Kris

P.S. Any possible Tide Claw changes are still being finalized although I don't think they will end up gazelle like.

Maybe emu like.

 

[Agis]

looking like perhaps realistically a 12% increase in speed, to stop the exploiters but keep the mob huntable

 

[Menace]

"Exploiters"? Interesting terminology there. You're an EU veteran. Globsters been slow enough to out run since they were introduced. No exploiting there..... IMO the likely scenario is that Cyrene wants to throw some descent items in their 7k HP mobs and MA told them that in order for that to happen they have to increase decay. Traeskeron are still easily out run able as well.
Or are you speaking of the VTOL exploiters? If so, how will increased run speed affect that?

Also, the loot system is decay influenced. So out running a mob does NOT give you an unfair advantage over the system. And when everyone can do it with their avatar's abilities no-one has an unfair advantage over other players. Out running a mob does not utilize a bug in coding or terrain to get a mob stuck or make it slow down. No exploiting here as per the ToS and the EULA. Simply high stakes gambling.

Also, Cyrene will have less of a ped turnover without them being slow. Reality is... There are a handful who are there from calypso simply for the gamble. So there's a few k u.s. less gonna be cycled. Then there are players like myself who will cycle less if I can't grind mindlessly while I watch movies. I mean... I'd gladly hunt other mobs.... The PEDs just won't end up cycled quite as fast as I could cycle them on auto fire.


Menace

 

[Agis]

Well i see noobs hunting them , those maturities not designed for noobs, and i see people hunting them naked too, they do 30% impact and the rest cold, a little speed increase (only talking 12%), Whats the point of cold and impact armor when you can hunt without armor. Ive seen the way people hunt them and they do exploit there speed, and with globster not everyone can outrun them like tide claw. And no not talking VTOL hunters, but i see people VTOL hunt too.. but cant do much about that

cheers

 

[non]

ive hunted alphas naked. using arson III and combustive VIII. shoot till they get close then run away. repeat in a circle. dont think that they were intended to be hunted this way takes awhile though

 

[juanc1164]

I would also be able to do what Menace says.

 

[Menace]

Well i see noobs hunting them , those maturities not designed for noobs, and i see people hunting them naked too, they do 30% impact and the rest cold, a little speed increase (only talking 12%), Whats the point of cold and impact armor when you can hunt without armor. Ive seen the way people hunt them and they do exploit there speed, and with globster not everyone can outrun them like tide claw. And no not talking VTOL hunters, but i see people VTOL hunt too.. but cant do much about that

cheers

Tide Claws speed is INTENTIONAL. No exploiting there. Unless you can prove differently of course.

If ya want 50% avg returns while chasing the big HoF go naked.... if ya want 65% avg returns while chasing the big HoF's then stand toe to toe and take the decay.

Also... what's the point in worrying about whether or not people are taking decay from Claws that do 30% impact/ 70% cold if you don't even offer an armor to hunt them in? MAYBE.... just MAYBE.... Cyrene been given the "ok" from MA to drop some good armor so they're adjusting mobs accordingly?

Menace

 

[Menace]

ive hunted alphas naked. using arson III and combustive VIII. shoot till they get close then run away. repeat in a circle. dont think that they were intended to be hunted this way takes awhile though

Well their super slow speed has been this way since day one. Many VU's have passed and nothing's been adjusted.... evidently Cyrene intended on them being slow. What you choose to do with those slow mobs is your choice.

Menace

 

[juanc1164]

Well, my opinion is that the slow velocity of mob make it different and interesting, and yep, gives the possibility to the no advanced players feel as they hunt a high level monster... and what's the problem with this?

Remember when i killed Stalker/Prowler Traeskerons with a very low level weapon, just shot, and run a lot... but was fun when i was new in the game.

 

[Thanatos]

the tideclaw low speed is intentional, like for a number of other existing mobs, which are slow (proterons, trasks, and other). funny is that Agis see problems only on cyrene, not tracking down ppl hunting proterons with vtols

 

[Menace]

the tideclaw low speed is intentional, like for a number of other existing mobs, which are slow (proterons, trasks, and other). funny is that Agis see problems only on cyrene, not tracking down ppl hunting proterons with vtols

Well I do have alot of respect for Agis. He's a Cyrene pioneer as well as long time and well respected Entropian. He's also got very respectable skills/gear and is one of the few Cyrene citizens that can hunt MOST mobs here. I value his input but in this particular case.... I disagree. If it was a situation where someone was using a type of vegetation/rock/whatever to slow the mob beyond it's intended speed... then that would be an exploit. I also believe that Tide Claws aren't looting like Cyrene wants them to loot and that the run speed (and MA's rules) have something to do with that. Personally I'd just meet MA in the middle... keep the slow run speed and thus keep the "cash cows" and simply add a BIT more regen. That way the lesser skilled can still hunt them but pay the extra through ammo usage instead of high end (L) armor and a big fapper (neither of which Cyrene offers at this point anyway).
In fact.... I'm not sure if there's an avatar in the whole of EU that could hunt these in Cyrene gear solo.

Menace

 

[Jeanni]

In fact.... I'm not sure if there's an avatar in the whole of EU that could hunt these in Cyrene gear solo.

Menace

sure not in cyrene gear... but nearly each imp/mod fapper can hunt them solo.

i dont see why u should do in cyrene gear... can u hunt Lazidol, Chang Guardian, Zeladoth Omicron or Rhyancho Bird with any of the Cyrene gear ?

btw.. i think the only reason why high skilled Players complain about those Mobs is that they drop same oils (not much, but they do) than the uber Mobs that they hunt... and this does ruin the MU as u have seen in most of them for example. Nobody is complaining about traeskeron or Proterons because they drop crappy TT stuff oils...

 

[Menace]

Yeah you're probably right. When Menace hits an 800 ped brain oil HoF while it took some uber all day to stack 400 ped of it I could see why theyd complain.
The only problem is... they jump to conclusions! "Hey he doesn't deserve 800 PED of brain oil!" They are completely oblivious to the fact that I LOST 2000 PED getting that 800 PED brain oil.....

Menace

 

[Jeanni]

Yeah you're probably right. When Menace hits an 800 ped brain oil HoF while it took some uber all day to stack 400 ped of it I could see why theyd complain.
The only problem is... they jump to conclusions! "Hey he doesn't deserve 800 PED of brain oil!" They are completely oblivious to the fact that I LOST 2000 PED getting that 800 PED brain oil.....

Menace

yep... i know that... and u know that too...

i´m absolutely agreeing, that a noob without skills should not be able to hunt Level 99 Mobs, while others invest 200 K ped in skills and gears to hunt Mobs that drop same loot.... that is an imbalance... but if tides get made faster... there must be an armor to hunt them at least...

 

[Thanatos]

if those tides are so damn good to profit by everyone, why i dont see many guys hunting them?
cuz tides are not so great! It costs way more to get a hof with brain or heart oil, than u can profit there. btw there is not always good oil i loot. why Rei hunts other mobs, after he/she got 2k from Tides? apparently Tides wasnt the best idea in longer term for him/her.

conclusion: let tides be like this, cuz those who complain are shortsighted

 

[Agis]

sure not in cyrene gear... but nearly each imp/mod fapper can hunt them solo.

i dont see why u should do in cyrene gear... can u hunt Lazidol, Chang Guardian, Zeladoth Omicron or Rhyancho Bird with any of the Cyrene gear ?

btw.. i think the only reason why high skilled Players complain about those Mobs is that they drop same oils (not much, but they do) than the uber Mobs that they hunt... and this does ruin the MU as u have seen in most of them for example. Nobody is complaining about traeskeron or Proterons because they drop crappy TT stuff oils...

Proteron move faster than Tide Claw, and yes there is no armor to hunt these above mobs jeanni has mentioned.

here we go .. to hunt the above mobs you need the following.. lol

Ryncho Bird - Need Sentinel no other gear will match its damage.

Zeladoth Omicron - Fapper needed , Persueus and Plate 8 (Major Armor decay cost)

Chang Guardian - Supremacy 8A

Lazidol - COLD everything.

Wiles - Sentinel and Imp Fapper only

Red Molten Golems - Thats another story (Area Effect Damage makes it useless to have a fapper) still one of the hardest mobs ingame

Living Storm Vortex - Persueus (needs HP boost i hate 20ped globals on those) and alot of fapping

Tide Claw (Dominant and above) Supremacy and 4E plates. Impact is 30% rest is Cold Damage. Alpha still hit you about 160-173 with this combo. Prowler over 200.

cheers

 

[Agis]

Not forgetting the red skreel (ouch) Supremacy needed

Anicent Rhino Beetle - Supremacy/Persueus

Anicent Sea Wraith (hits extremely fast) supremacy.

L supremacy will cover most mobs on Cyrene, so i hope there is a L or (if lucky) UL supremacy alternative for cyrene, with a boost of cold instead of acid. .

 

[Menace]

No doubt Cyrene needs some adjustment. I just think that Tide Claws DON'T... reason.... they don't pay out profit anyway. They're a cash cow mob. HOWEVER... They do have potential to drop 100k ATH. So THAT is why they're hunted. IMO Uber HP noob mobs that noobs can hunt is serious profit for ANY planet. Remember NI's Sacred Boar? They hit for 1.0-10 in unplated Pixie! HUNDREDS hunted them! 10k HP. Hof board was spammed BUT... for those that didn't HoF over 1k... they lost big. It's healthy for the "system".

As per those who don't think a noob should be able to hunt a lvl 99 mob... well...

Pay for uberness and increase your kill speed thus increasing your chance to Uber.... or noob up and take 10 min to kill 1 mob. I don't see a problem with that. The benefit in the high end gear is in the number of lottery tickets you can purchase in an hour. And THAT is how the high level players profit. KILL SPEED IS KEY!

I mean... we just had a 9mth old player hit 333k PED so that one mob COULD be the ONE for some noob... that being said... we've spent 10 years hearing about "the usual suspects getting all the items/ubers" before that one noob blew the roof off this game.

Menace