space being pvp - yes or no - link

[AlricBezel]

More people that don't want space to be pvp need to vote on this. I think all the pirates made more than one account to get this poll up.

http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...250924-Should-Space-be-Lootable-PVP-Yes-or-No

 

[non]

i am not a pirate but i like space being pvp lootable. i do think that there should be a better system with karma. for example once a person accumulates a certain amount of negative karma they should be lootable on any planet in any place from twins to 101 think that would be fun and be a nice bounty system.

 

[AlricBezel]

Well, pirate or no pirate, the link is there to get the votes in, lol.

Personally I agree with the majority of people in game that space was ruined by making space all pvp. Space could have been made with pvp areas just like how there are pvp areas on the planets, some lootable and some not lootable. I don't agree at all that it's a good thing to allow players to kill and rob other players of their money. I have played pvp games and there wasn't an real money involved in the game so it didn't matter to get killed. Also the idea of looting someone after killing them is another thing all in itself, only some games with pvp have that feature, not all.

I just posted the link so that people could vote the way they feel about space being pvp.

 

[non]

Personally I agree with the majority

ah so you agree with me that its good that space is pvp? since thats what the poll says the majority thinks...

 

[AlricBezel]

lol, non you are a silly one

The majority of the posts I read about space, especially during the whole summoning issue, which MA will be making a statement about at the next VU, is more like it and that would be that no, I don't like that space is pvp.
Reading through the post on PCF about how people feel about space being pvp, space being pvp is not much liked or wanted.
I don't know who's idea it was to make space pvp, I think it was that one calypso planet person, marcus? I forget his name, but I think he was the one with that idea. In fact that fellow is long gone, hopefully the pvp in space, or at least in all of space will be something of the past too before too long and be written off as a bad idea.

Do you remember who's idea it was to make space pvp?

 

[WangXiang]

Adventure without risk is Disneyland
-- Doug Coupland

 

[AlricBezel]

Adventure without risk is Disneyland
-- Doug Coupland

hehe, that's a good quote. But coming from a Canadian artist I don't think he was thinking about getting shot, killed and then robbed of his money, lol. Maybe a little hiking or something was the extent of his adventures, although I do feel that if he's an artist he was probably referring to the adventure of creating a work of art and then having to take the criticism from other artists and critics as the risk.

unless of course you are referring to a different Doug Coupland

 

[Nor Alien]

hehe, that's a good quote. But coming from a Canadian artist I don't think he was thinking about getting shot, killed and then robbed of his money, lol. Maybe a little hiking or something was the extent of his adventures, although I do feel that if he's an artist he was probably referring to the adventure of creating a work of art and then having to take the criticism from other artists and critics as the risk.

unless of course you are referring to a different Doug Coupland

err I am Canadian.. and I can assure you he likes getting robbed repeatedly. Otherwise you wouldn't live in Canada.

 

[AlricBezel]

That bad in Canada eh? Well, at least you won't be facing martial law like the US here in a couple months, at least I hope for your sake you won't.

 

[Nor Alien]

That bad in Canada eh? Well, at least you won't be facing martial law like the US here in a couple months, at least I hope for your sake you won't.

LOL no its not that bad, we just don't like sending our oil to other countries to be refined only to buy it back and tripple the price then sell it to ourselves for double that! lol Not to mention we have one of the highest cell phone prices. LOL other then that, clean air and lots of land.

 

[MindStar 9]

I like the concept of space, but I don't like the "PvP lootable" part of it covering ALL of space. There should be a choice to engage in pirate interaction if you want to take a risk for more excitement, if that's what turns you on, but there should also be a choice (just like on the planets) to avoid lootable PvP and be able to travel to other planets to conduct business and gain resources, especially if you craft. We have a choice on planets to walk into a PvP4 environment, but we don't in space, we are forced to be subjected to it if we want to travel to another planet - and don't say we have a choice to just stay out of space if we don't like it - it interferes with our expanded game play.

Because we are a real cash economy and dealing with real life money, I don't agree with pirates being able to "shoot and loot" at will when you're trying to navigate between planets. Not everyone can afford to take a MS or Privateer to travel to other planets, especially newbies who would enjoy engaging in the newbie quest experiences of each planet. It's very difficult to "really" enjoy the game in an expanded way because of how space is now, and while some really like it, I think it causes new people to leave - not that they don't have other things that cause them to leave already.

 

[OZtwo]

ah so you agree with me that its good that space is pvp? since thats what the poll says the majority thinks...

Well, the problem isn't space being PvP at all, but that the space is very much lootable in a game that, remember, is using RL money. So all who may say that having any type of lootable areas ingame means that one can go and steal from others and get away with it -- mostly being MA for the time being. Not sure if anything can be done but at some point someone is going to see something odd here so we must all hope that our great game here with lootable areas setup as they are don't get a lot of new game players. All we need is the game to make the highlight news and for it get shut down.

 

[non]

bah... same old reasons... its for the noobs, it interferes with my gameplay. its to hard...

the only good reason i have read so far on any forum is oztwo's. with the amount of exploits available to pirates its not fair to honest players. its only a matter of time before someone gets looted carrying a large amount of something or other and its recorded and its because of a clear exploit. that would be a mighty blow to entropia. and all our investments be it time or ped.

i like pvp lootable space it makes it exciting to smuggle odds and ends and make a few extra ped, but oztwo makes a legit point that makes me reconsider my stance on it.

very much lootable in a game that, remember, is using RL money

that is mildly insulting btw. talking down to people is a bad habit.

 

[MindStar 9]

OZtwo said: ↑

very much lootable in a game that, remember, is using RL money​

that is mildly insulting btw. talking down to people is a bad habit.

The interpretation of the printed word can be quite subjective, and I think OZ was just giving a friendly reminder about the real money we play with, because I've never known him to "talk down to people" as long as I've known him.

I'm sure he can respond on his own, but thought I would add my 2 pec as well.

 

[OZtwo]

that is mildly insulting btw. talking down to people is a bad habit.

Yes, sorry, as MindStar9 pointed out, this was an open-ended remark pointing to no one. All I was pointing out before I got a slew of replies on the subject is that we are dealing with real world money here. And non, you are known very well and I didn't mean to put you down in anyway.

 

[KHAI ONI CUTHACH]

Space is lootable and pvp if you don't like it don't travel with loot, I personally like it. It isolates planets economy's making each planet different , take for instance on ark rite now crap loot used to make the viceroy armor has great mu where as that same crap loot on caly is tt food. If space was not lootable everyone would just continue to drag their loot around saturating planets economy just like calypsos where most loot from hunting has almost no mu. If you want added protection when traveling threw space pay for a warp.
Those of u saying that space should be part non-pvp and part pvp lootable to give players a choice, that is a ridiculous statement ,if given the choice who would take loot into a lootable zone lol. Games have different dinamics to appeal to different people, if you don't want to be looted u have 2 options 1) don't carry loot, 2) stay on your planet where its safe. Next pirates are not stealing from you when they loot you, they are pvping in a profitable way where it was your choice to enter a zone where you know the risks.

 

[OZtwo]

1) don't carry loot, 2) stay on your planet where its safe. Next pirates are not stealing from you when they loot you, they are pvping in a profitable way where it was your choice to enter a zone where you know the risks.

Yes, you are very much right here, I'm not saying that you are wrong in that it would help the games economy.

But..

So robbing a bank isn't stealing from others? They are just out trying to make a profit? And remember, it's not the pirates, but MA at fault here. I know for a lot it's heard to understand but with such a system in place, we have to hope that EU never really gets all that big due to this fact that if so it could be closed down.

 

[Neil Stockton]

I like the idea of lootable space, since it adds some needed excitement to space travel. However, the current space implementation is not ready for it. We have pirates using speed hacks (all the time now), pirates can force CTDs, the numerous random bugs like "quad won't stop moving forward" and there some performance issues too. We also have summon exploits and weirdness (I once used a normal TP on planet and materialized with loot in a mothership in space... no fathomable reason how that could have happened). We have only stock, unmodifiable quads for fair players and hacked quads for pirates. Space PVP is just an annoying pirate camp-fest atm and about the only fun PVP in space, IMO, is at the end of the day to taunt a pirate to follow you out into space a ways and then log out, making them think you have loot, hoping they'll guard that spot for hours before giving up and heading back to camp the safe zone again. Doesn't really qualify as PVP but it's fun nonetheless.

 

[Fifth]

Yes, i agree, there's way too many serious bugs for a RCE game. Inside and outside of PvP.
And no, i will never agree if they wanna take away another piece of fun.
It's not like there's too much already...

If there's too much fun (danger, risk) for you, go ahead use MS warp, problem solved.
Nobody forces anyone into lootable PvP, anywhere... So what's the big problem?

 

[Laurenz]

I Not a Pirate but I enjoy a Good Fight against a Pirate as long as it is Fair one by One or Fights against Friends for Fun sometimes so i would want to stay PVP at Space.