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Bug Report Zorras EPIC bugged or really shitty business model?

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  1. Kris | Cyrene
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    Hey guys,

    Let me try and answer some of these as I can:

    Yes, we're working on this: same for the loot from Lazidol + Wasp Queen. Read that as adjustments loot 2.0 for high value stackables.

    We're testing some changes to not only the drop rates of the vouchers for the ecotrons, as well as separated the vouchers into limited and unlimited based off of tiers. If this doesn't work we have some ideas that will need to get MA approval to eventually guarantee a voucher for players based off of the vendors they can access.

    This was not put out due to MindArk restrictions, not our own, we're working with them and to put these missions out with their approval, which they can't be put out without them.

    We've felt this for a long time and explicitly expressed that to MindArk many times over, it's an ongoing topic of conversation.

    We are limited in what we are allowed to put out each VU by MindArk, as well as everything must go through and be approved by them before it makes it unto live servers.

    I mean, yes and no, I think if you look at many of the new item parameters that are coming out of Calypso these last couple years as well as how some of the systems seem more refined there, then you can see the differences.

    I personally don't like to think of it as being in direct competition, but sort of like Mindark is Baskin Robbins (do those still exist?) and each planet is a different flavor and players maybe get tired of Calypso ice cream and want to have some Cyrene flavor sometimes. Some players prefer our flavor, some tried it and didn't like it and moved on, some swap back and forth.

    We just recently just got this approved for us to have in the next PP VU, I think in part to Justine's posting here and Charlie's quote of at PCF. We always want to be on par with what other planets have, players that play on Cyrene shouldn't feel like they are in a limited playing field.

    Seemed decently formatted to me =)

    That's the trouble of being a planet partner is that sometimes other planets items will out class yours whether it's intentional or not.

    I would like to say that none of the creatures or mining areas were changed for loot 2.0, only the drop rates as according to MindArk.

    This is not something we can control directly and have talked to MindArk about on many occasions to make sure that Cyrene blueprints are able to be discovered on Cyrene, but afaik nothing within the parameters we can adjust effects that, only Mindark can correct this issue.

    I'll concede to this point, we had big aspirations with shops ran into complications that haven't been ironed out, but it's not off the table.

    When loot 2.0 first launched was right before the big summer holiday MindArk takes where we were helpless to make any changes. Each and every VU since loot 2.0 launched we've worked with MindArk to make improvements.

    The Disciple armor has been ready since last year, but it's not something that we can implement ourselves. Our last attempt to get this into the game was on October 2017, I'm actually bumping this topic again to bring it up for the next PP VU.

    I sort of address this in the reply to tBANNA.

    The Byg Byrds aren't spawned as a distraction to the problems here at Cyrene, they are spawned because players ask for them to the spawned and it's in our control to do so. We want to do things that players want us to do, but we aren't the only hands on the wheel. We are working towards solving each of these problems and more with each update.

    I hope this this answers some questions. I want to thank everyone in this thread for their feedback on helping us create a better Cyrene.

    Regards,
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    I don't understand why you feel "attacked"? It's just a friendly discussion. Or singled out against someone else? I happened to pick up the ball from one out of the choir. Everybody is free to disagree, maybe I am wrong. I can't play the volume you do and I'm still waiting for the day that changes, but I can put myself in others' shoes and sometimes must say I'm glad I'm watching the rollercoaster rather than sitting in it. This very much directs my approach when I am spending.

    I can't find myself subscribing to the paradigm that one PP always has to do the same as everybody else, just bigger and shinier, only because they're competing and taking players from each other. Of course players are moving around, at least temporarily, when something is released. But it's a straw fire effect, you can't make a sustainable living just on outdoing each other like that and it's not what MA wants either. This way you forever only follow, never lead or create something unique. You and I both know that we don't have to tell this to our C-team specifically, they already are on this path and have been from the beginning. The other side of the medal are the difficulties to get anything realized with MA - or against them, as it must sometimes seem. But this is a different topic.

    These are specific criticisms and all valid points. With specific points someone can work, with a generic slap in the face they can't. Big Bird is not their answer to it and I don't believe you seriously think this. But I can relate to the frustration. I've been in this game since over 10 years ago and decided not to let it frustrate me (I sometimes can't help it where MA's approach to bugfixes and their own promises is concerned, that's over on PCF and the reason I'll never call it "investment"). I prefer a constructive approach and like sharing ideas where I find they are welcome, which is where you actually get a response instead of a canned phrase or none at all. I've submitted a number of suggestions here which all take a complementing approach, trying to find a niche not occupied by others already, also and especially in response to previous mission rewards getting outmoded by new MA/Calypso releases. Not all details can be published.

    Edit: Had this in the works while Kris was posting... :)
     
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    Still counting? :p

    The question is rhetorical now.
    Either you dont care enough to do the counting, or you have already counted and are to ashamed of the answer to give us the number.
     
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    Hello Ted,

    :ping:

    I feel like your pigeonholing me into only having those 2 available reasons. I replied this this question when you asked it earlier and will quote myself:

    This is coupled with the fact that I can't always share all the things that I wish to share. One of those are the exact drop rates/number of items looted, although to be fair I don't always have the big picture on that either.

    After you first posed this question I personally took it up and made sure to follow through with MindArk about making sure these items are in the loot pool and are able to drop before I even started digging. I did the same thing when Soko was posting about Lazidol and the Empis Wasp Queen loot and drop rates. Then once I was able to go through the reports update my own findings to MindArk to support this case.

    So while I don't have anything definitive to post up I will say that from my own findings, which I already shared with Mindark, there were changes that were made on our end as well as requested changes on their end for the next PP VU to try and improve the speed at which these items get into the players hands.

    We do our best to share and discuss as much as we can about what's happening behind the scenes, as well as making sure to take the time to follow up to every post, PM, comment and email we receive.

    Thank you for your feedback and continued persistence to see this issue resolved, we both want the same thing.

    Regards,
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    Unless Lesser Crystal is for some strange reason is not registering as rare loot, then I can understand 'rhetorical question' and 'avoidance of an answer'. But since MA has enabled transparency and MA approved tool EL makes it really user friendly to see for everyone I don't understand why you 'can't always share all the things that I wish to share. One of those are the exact drop rates/number of items looted'. The answer to the original Ted's question is ZERO, again unless Lesser is not registering as rare loot. Unlike Globals which are depended on local trackers running, I believer Rare Loot gets registered 100% as it gets broadcasted across the universe not just the planet.
     
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    Hey Neo Jr XL,

    This is something that we need to confirm with Mindark to make sure that not only are the crystals setup as rare loot on live servers but their common rarity isn't inhibiting this notification.

    It's something I'll be following up with them on this week.

    From my understand that is correct, it's not just planet wide it's universe wide.

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    so do we get in today update fix for drop rate of Lazidol parts
     
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    Hey guys,

    That's the plan.

    Here's the relevant part from the patch notes:

    Cheers,
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    So.... I still dont see any drop of Lesser Power Crystal, nor any Weakened Power Crystal, and of course no one has made a Greater Power Crystal.

    Am I wrong?
     
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    Hi Kris | Cyrene, any inputs?
     
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    i made with friend Greater Power Crystal 8.02 .2018, it was ath for him rare ithems
     
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    Yes, as mentioned in post #11
    ...and as I remember that was with an OLD drop of Lesser Power Crystal?

    Absolutely NO drops after that, and Kris | Cyrene was going to go over the drops and count them but never wanted to reveal the result.

    As it stands now to me it is still a really shitty business model.
     
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    Hey Tor Henrik Hovi and everyone,

    I'd like to preface this post with this:

    While we both (Planet Cyrene and MA) have different parts when it comes to how loot drops, the final say when it comes to rate and frequency ultimately falls outside of our jurisdiction. I do always try to be a champion for Planet Cyrene and make sure that items drop at a fair rate as I can (but I'm not always able to).

    The short version is that I'm getting the same answers for these similarly to what I was told about the A.R.C. vendors, which is that they do come but are quite slow to where it seems to me that it's not enough.

    As for this:

    I'll quote myself again:

    When one thing doesn't work the way that we want on Cyrene we do what every developer does: find a work around. So there's two prongs we're looking at to try and solve this:

    1) Executing the similar method we used with Lazidol and Empis Wasp loot: split the item into smaller TT increments to have increased frequency

    - or -

    2) Monthly or Bi-monthly (every other month) events at the event area where players can win these items from within the event system. There are several players as well as Lilmc helping with this endeavor to make sure it's worthwhile for all players.

    Lastly, I apologize for not always posting updates to the forums, even if the answer is: still being worked on/looked at/ discussed /etc. I'll try and do better with it in the future.

    Cheers,
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    As I can see from data available last drop of Lesser Power Crystal (One of the items required to end the EPIC mission on Cyrene) was 2015 or before..... im just wondering, how many years do you think it is appropriate to have some players have the unfair advantage of exclusive acces to a EXTREMELY high MU dropping loot?

    Or should you just say;
    "OK, its been 3 years or more, and we are unable to fix the problem, I think it is time to let the [Greater Power Crystal] be given out as a mission reward so other players can acces the Great Sea Beast Lazidol."

    IMO, you are WAY over due.
     
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    You are not even hunting Zyn Dos to get Lesser crystal and flame on forum,
    Do 200k ped cycle on Zyn Doss then post your info , , Lazidol is just bonus for those that can obtain crystal , zora mission ended when you got xent tech prototype and zym kimbro spear.
     
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    1)Executing the similar method we used with Lazidol and Empis Wasp loot: split the item into smaller TT increments to have increased frequency


    Nice idea people stay on planet cycle peds, and help economy.


    2)2) Monthly or Bi-monthly (every other month) events at the event area where players can win these items from within the event system. There are several players as well as Lilmc helping with this endeavor to make sure it's worthwhile for all players.

    Bad idea ubers come from caly with big tiers guns , win events sell crystall ,and go back to caly , also makes others that grind tons of mobs to get week or lesser looks like fools
     
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    You are right. I dont hunt them because the mission chain is BUGGED! Doh!!!!

    You never looted one yourself did you? You BOUGHT an old looted one, did you not?
    So stop telling me what to do please.
     
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    Mission chain is not bugged , i buyed one and friend had other so we made crystal , and how can you expect crystal to drop when almost nobady hunt zyn doss
     
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    Yes mission is BUGGED. No drops in years and even developers admit it is not supposed to be that way.

    Like I said you bought your way to the crystal, so dont come tell me what to do!

    Why dont YOU do a 200k ped cycle on Zyn Doss then come tell me the mission is not bugged?
     
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    Since i started to play on this game (July 2015), i played 95% of my time on Planet Cyrene. I tryed to loot both Crystals, only weakened was found on Zyn Dos and on L7/L9 Merfolken. I never saw any Lesser Crystals, for me they are not in loot pool.
    I cycled alot more than that 200k ped on Merfolken and Zyn dos during loot 1.0, i did same during loot 2.0 and i still not see any drop (for me or another player) of Lesser Crystal.

    I abandonned and i used a greater crystal from a friend.

    Greater Crystal was an ingredient on the old receipe for make Zorra's HK.
    I always tough MA limited the quantity of weapon with the quantity of greater crystal. But receipe has been change and now you can make 1 weapon per Epic Mission done but MA did not changed or re-implanted in loot pool the Lesser Crystal.

    Actually only Bella is able to loot Lazidol parts because all other Greater Crystals are in hands of very old players and they don't play anymore (just some connection sometimes).

    I know plenty players who wait to finish there epic mission and they don't plan to finish it just because this is impossible to kill Lazidol.

    BTW, why not to make and upgrade for the Fishing Spear, this is the other reward part but pretty useless. Make it usefull with an upgrade : Fishing Spear + X Lazidol part = Zorra's melee weapon :)
     
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