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Discussion in 'Weapons' started by Franki, Dec 11, 2017.

  1. Aryana Ary Softheart
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    Good luck Grimbly! I hope you have better luck finding a weapon voucher than I did. I cyceled over 10k ped hunting spiders and mang chang, and never got one.
     
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    Thanks for the update in the current VU. I see where the information regarding (L) weapon vouchers drop. Any update on the UL weapon vouchers?
     
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    There is some very good change, i like this VU :)

    Edit :

    Voucher 2 Limited confirmed on Mang chang
    Voucher 1 Limited confirmed on Skyhatter

    Great Job kris on the receipe :)
     
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    confirmed [A.R.C. Tier 1 Limited Weapon Voucher] on level 9 spiders.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback and kind words, really appreciated!
     
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    Can you elaborate a bit on [A.R.C. Tier 1 Unimited Weapon Voucher] / [A.R.C. Tier 2 Unimited Weapon Voucher] please?
    We look for it on same mobs that drop the limited versions?
     
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    Hey s.bridgitte.s,

    Correct! If this doesn't work out (having both L and UL on the same mob) then I have a few other ideas we can try.

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    Unfortunately, but this is a scam. Half a year ago I dumped a voucher on A.R.C. Tier 2 Unlimited Weapon. I spent over 4k ped to get 500 badget in missions and buy 200 empire key cubes .
    to get a weapon unl.
    Despite this, I can not get this weapon for over 3 months, so it's misselling and cheating. Here is the proof: https://www.cyreneforum.com/threads/ecotron-v-26b-prototype.8022/
     
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    Kris this makes me curious as well regarding both dropping off of the same mob. I've looted now, two limited vouchers from spiders on Cyrene. I know that should be nice and all, but honestly, it's even more frustrating to me.

    I'd like to hear what your other ideas are.

    Thanks for all of your help!
     
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    Hey Aryana Ary Softheart,

    I can understand that, you got some decent loot but it wasn't what you thought and that can make it feel worse if you are targeting these vouchers.

    In no particular order:
    • Imperium Wave Event Only (dropped only from Wave Event Mobs)
    • Rare Mobs - Spawned via some kind of means (time or creatures killed in a spawner or something else)
    • Limited Vouchers on more "n00b friendly" mobs (like not found on high level 5P1D3Rs)
    • Unlimited Vouchers on higher level mobs only (like not found on lower level 5P1D3Rs)
    • A way to turn X Limited vouchers into 1 Unlimted Voucher
    Some of these might be garbage, some of these might be gold, they are currently only ideas.

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    [QUOTE
    In no particular order:
    • Imperium Wave Event Only (dropped only from Wave Event Mobs)
    • Rare Mobs - Spawned via some kind of means (time or creatures killed in a spawner or something else)
    • Limited Vouchers on more "n00b friendly" mobs (like not found on high level 5P1D3Rs)
    • Unlimited Vouchers on higher level mobs only (like not found on lower level 5P1D3Rs)
    • A way to turn X Limited vouchers into 1 Unlimted Voucher
    Some of these might be garbage, some of these might be gold, they are currently only ideas.

    Cheers,
    Kris[/QUOTE]

    Kris, these are all great ideas. I especially like the option of turning X limited vouchers -> Unlimited vouchers. I also agree the limited vouchers should be on a lower level mob as to give lower level avatars the ability to loot a weapon that is useful at their level.

    Thanks for the quick reply!
     
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    I like the idea to find those rare drop on Wave event Boss. Actually 2 waves event area are possible. With that Vouchers Unlimited on bosses, that will make them more enjoyable :D
     
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    I'm not opposed to the idea...but since you're the only one I ever see doing the waves I'm not surprised you'd like to see it too. :D
     
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    I'm not the only one to do the waves ;)
    But if there is no more players on waves, it's because there is no loot motivation. Check how waves work on Calypso. There is rare items, waves on calypso are more big (like SK or Goki), but players do them all time because of the rare items and ESI.

    I bet, if bosses on Cyrene give rare items, we will see more players on Cyrene waves. When i do waves, i always advice and some players join me. But the most of the time, they don't come because nothing special will be looted.
     
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    Well, well, well, this is more than I expected, things sound good.

    Thank you for the hints @Kris | Cyrene .
     
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    I can confirm the Limited Weapon Voucher on L18 Spiders. Like others I've not had a single UL voucher drop despite thousands cycled using eco weapons. I get that they are rare, but seems non-existent - I keep holding out hope. I like some of the ideas you pose Kris.
     
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    I would add to my post that perhaps L vouchers be a little more common. They don't have to be super common. But if we are grinding for an UL I dread seeing the L vouchers and I get that sense (right or wrong) that I've just lost out on my rare moment to a L voucher. On the other hand, if they fell a little more often then I might grind for them as well, akin perhaps to grinding for tokens on Calypso for CDF weapons. I like the idea of so many L for a UL voucher too
     
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    Hey guys,

    Thanks for all the feedback on this. We'll keep working to continue to try and make this better for all players.

    I think 1st and foremost is better targeting of the specific vouchers, so for sure for the next PP VU we'll be adjusting the maturity drop rate range: lower maturity will have L vouchers, while higher maturity will have UL vouchers.

    From there we'll have to discuss more in detail with the balancing team about some of my other ideas.

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    Differentiating them like that would help. My only concern is that if the UL only drop with high maturity (and you did say "higher" not high) then that starts to reduce who can grind for them. This means not just those who can hunt higher maturities but those who can afford to hunt huge numbers of more expensive mobs and this becomes more and more challenging depending on the level that is chosen. I realize we are striving for a UL weapon but this situation seems a little different from the very rare drop of a piece of armor or a rare weapon in of itself. This is about getting a piece of a puzzle that also requires other elements. If this is going to be akin to simply grinding for an uber rare item then if I get it I get it but I'm not likely to grind for it like I've been doing. It also makes me less inclined to want to do other activities to build my faction badge collection because its highly unlikely I'd ever get that one piece that is what makes the access so exciting.
    I don't know if the highest stage of the various "iron" style missions are repeatable here but I'm getting the sense they are not. If we are grinding these mobs for something like the UL voucher, given the numbers needed for a drop, it would be valuable to have repeatable final mission akin to what is done on other planets. If this already exists then nevermind :)
     
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    Hey AlyaDrarh,

    That's right, however from the maturities that do drop it they are quite similar in levels, although not the same. For example here's the plan for the SkyShatter Robot:

    Plains SkyShatter Robot - Threat Level 30 - Tier 1 L Voucher
    Improved SkyShatter Robot - Threat Level 34 - Both Tier 1 L & UL Voucher
    Advanced SkyShatter Robot - Threat level 40 - Tier 1 UL Voucher

    While 10 levels is not a small gap by any means I think having the mid-tier maturity able to drop it is a solid middle ground.

    Of course, part of the puzzle is accessibility, if you're earning badges and making your way past tier 1 you should be able to kill mobs that can drop vouchers.

    Maybe it's better to, for example, keep both L and UL vouchers on both mobs (as it currently is) but having a larger drop disparity between maturities? Something like Young Mang Changs have a 5% drop chance for the UL Voucher, but a 10% drop chance for the L Voucher (numbers used for simplicity and not representative of in game drop chances).

    There are 10 missions, outside of the Epic Zorra Chain, that do have weekly repeatable missions, provided you have completed the former ranked missions. Mang Chang is part of those 10, so we can look at adding the 5P1D3R Bots and SkyShatter Robots to that as well in the future.

    I'm always watching this thread and making sure the team and I receive all player feedback.

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