Wish List Ecotron camping - The problem/improvements

[Erza]

Whatever needs to happen it needs to happen quickly!!!!

As it was mentioned before by other people the current system is faulty as hell and need improvement. We were all gathering badges from day 1 for the rewards, the armor reward that was provised was later dropped due to a "mistake" been made. Now the way the guns are being released ingame is not fair. No doubt it favours campers and people that have no life other then play EU from dusk till dawn. IMO one gun per player seems to be the better option no doubt, but how to regulate this?How to make sure people will not just create Alts and get their hands on loads of guns and ressel?

As we discuss this and Cyrene team takes their time ironing things out, we normal people with a life, jobs, family that are not able to play EU for 24/7 have little or no hope to get the reward we were promissed, whilst others (although not doing nothing wrong apart from camping their ass off) get their hands on the guns. Two guns for the same person is like 10k in the pedcard easily, for doing what? Like others have said camping is now being rewarded not the loyal players of Cyrene, although Florian has been around Cyrene for time now its not right that only a certain few get the gun.

Even more because its the normal people that depo to play the game as they have limited time to play and most rather do more exciting things rather then staring at an NPC all day and night. Being a player that deposits I do not feel its right for someone i.e. that does not depo at all but just turned in sweat to get the badges and gathers lime tokens to sell in order to buy shrapnel and then camps to get a UL gun that can then sell for 4k ped. To be honest its unfair situations like this that lead players to leave Cyrene and never come back.

Well said and i'm even having trouble collecting the badges due to high activity in real life (work/family) so it's gonna take me awhile before i reach 200
And i have done some more research on these hub stuff and i see that the armor is not the one it used to be
Yes, i've read that it was a mistake that is why it has been removed which doesn't make any sense to me, mistake is that it has been removed.
It was one just like the Viceroy(char bound) so why is it removed and it didn't had any buffs so why

I do like Cyrene for the fact that the Bots and Mobs drops are pretty nice, not talking return wise(which is pretty good too) but it's not just ammo and shrapnel.
And if there's something that really bugs me out is ammo/s-crap-nell loot only

So in my case, i'm thinking about forgetting about the whole badges thing and just hunt what i feel like when i'm in game
And of course i'll keep an eye on this one to see how it develops in regards to the UL stuff(bound or not) in the hub

 

[krasko]

And i have done some more research on these hub stuff and i see that the armor is not the one it used to be
Yes, i've read that it was a mistake that is why it has been removed which doesn't make any sense to me, mistake is that it has been removed.
It was one just like the Viceroy(char bound) so why is it removed and it didn't had any buffs so why

The only mistake with that armor, is that it was to easy to obtain for the stats it offers.
Perhaps it will appear again on a higher stage, or maybe when Imperuim faction is released.

 

[Erza]

The only mistake with that armor, is that it was to easy to obtain for the stats it offers.
Perhaps it will appear again on a higher stage, or maybe when Imperuim faction is released.

I see and so i did some research about this armor
It has about 30 HP point more than the Viceroy and also Acid/Electric/Cold stats which are very good for Cyrene Bots/Mobs
Now i have 3 sets with plates for different Bots/Mobs,
The ARC Ranger for Electric, the Viceroy for Acid and the Koroma for Cold, i rather have one set with all of these like this stolen armor set

And the mistake was that PP/MA put it in the 1st faction way to cheap at only 280.000 shrapnel(28 PED) for each piece which is only 196 ped for the whole set
Now there lies the mistake if we compare it to the Viceroy which is around 700 ped for the whole set.

So i say to PP and MA, put it back into the first faction with the same char bound thing so everyone can get 1 if they desire it but for say 1.5000.000 shrapnel a piece so that's a total of 10.500.000 shrapnel for the whole set which is like 1050 PEDS and it's good $$$ for PP and MA pocket
I'm pretty sure many will still get it since it is a good beginner/mid level overall stats armor that's looks very cool indeed

If PP/MA put it back but like in faction 3 i won't bother getting it since it will take me some years to get that many badges and i'm playing EU for fun and to relax after a busy day so waiting some years for a gear set is zero fun and zero motivation for me to get it.lol

Here's a screenshot for the price for those that can't go into the faction like me,

 

[San]

If PP/MA put it back but like in faction 3 i won't bother getting it since it will take me some years to get that many badges and i'm playing EU for fun and to relax after a busy day so waiting some years for a gear set is zero fun and zero motivation for me to get it.lol

Well, I would... Got 200 badges, can get 1000 more. Right now working on Arkadia for the Dropship. I like the idea of having something you can't just buy with money. It is a display of achievement and loyalty also. Furthermore, the badges missions or other planet's equivalents are a nice, low-key activity which keeps you playing without being a huge strain on finances. You can do this easily before or after work.

 

[Hec]

Personally I avoid using most userbound items except for webshop Adj.Harrier and Z12 finisher.
Yes I get userbound items since its often part of a mission chain and I've shot the mobs anyways. *shrug*
Except Viceroy, I farmed the mats, but kept mats in 2 jars on Ark storage for past year+.
I'll leave mats there and see how I feel about viceroy in another year or two.

Guess I just see userbound items as freebie/newbie/webshop-starter stuff which is fitting for userbound.
But EU is supposed to be RCE and anything equal or better then graduation armor should be tradable imo.
I've no plans to ever get Cyrene's Limited armor, and if the UL armor returns I'd probably get if not bound.


So after some thought regarding ecotrons I've no plans to bother getting one atm.
Because I've no interest in limited ecotrons, and there's what? maybe 4 UL ecotrons in EU now?

After searching this forum and PCF the first players got ecotrons back in Jan 2015...
And since then there's actually not that many players who are vocal about having ecotrons removed from game, or made user bound, or make them all limited, or whatever. Seems like a lot of other players got bored with replying to the same thing over and over again, plus others stopped after the armor fiasco.

However there's over 700 other weapons with better effective-dpp listed in Entropedia.info.
(click column "Dmg/PEC", click "All" at lower left to show 500 items/page, click page 2 scroll mid-way down) (PS. page 5 has about 400 more weapons without any DPP entered!)

Also I have to wonder if MA/Team Cyrene have plans to introduce a third bigger ecotron!?.
"- Ecotron v. 42e and Ecotron v.42e Prototype are now correctly use Weapon Cells."
http://cyreneforum.com/threads/planet-cyrene-september-30th-2015-mini-patch-notes.7094/#post-23470


I highly doubt MA/Team Cyrene plan to change the ecotrons themselves after over 2 years in game.
But only MA/Team Cyrene knows if they might change the way(costs) players can get them...

 

[bella]

I see and so i did some research about this armor
It has about 30 HP point more than the Viceroy and also Acid/Electric/Cold stats which are very good for Cyrene Bots/Mobs
Now i have 3 sets with plates for different Bots/Mobs,
The ARC Ranger for Electric, the Viceroy for Acid and the Koroma for Cold, i rather have one set with all of these like this stolen armor set

And the mistake was that PP/MA put it in the 1st faction way to cheap at only 280.000 shrapnel(28 PED) for each piece which is only 196 ped for the whole set
Now there lies the mistake if we compare it to the Viceroy which is around 700 ped for the whole set.

So i say to PP and MA, put it back into the first faction with the same char bound thing so everyone can get 1 if they desire it but for say 1.5000.000 shrapnel a piece so that's a total of 10.500.000 shrapnel for the whole set which is like 1050 PEDS and it's good $$$ for PP and MA pocket
I'm pretty sure many will still get it since it is a good beginner/mid level overall stats armor that's looks very cool indeed

If PP/MA put it back but like in faction 3 i won't bother getting it since it will take me some years to get that many badges and i'm playing EU for fun and to relax after a busy day so waiting some years for a gear set is zero fun and zero motivation for me to get it.lol

Here's a screenshot for the price for those that can't go into the faction like me,
View attachment 2892

You are geting this Limited armor A.R.C. Inaugurates (L) not the one you post screenshoot

http://www.entropedia.info/Info.aspx?chart=Armor&name=A.R.C._Inaugurates_(L)

 

[Erza]

Well, I would... Got 200 badges, can get 1000 more. Right now working on Arkadia for the Dropship. I like the idea of having something you can't just buy with money. It is a display of achievement and loyalty also. Furthermore, the badges missions or other planet's equivalents are a nice, low-key activity which keeps you playing without being a huge strain on finances. You can do this easily before or after work.

I get what you are saying about "It is a display of achievement and loyalty also"
But from my perspective it is a game so i do not feel and need for an achievement and the same goes loyalty.

And why you may ask?
Well that is simple "it is a game" and for me it is to have some online digital fun and nothing more

About mission in general, i don't focus much on them and the reason for that is the above

When i started EU with my oldest son we where thinking differently as how to get as high skills as possible but not anymore.
He left long ago and i stayed.lol
What you wrote "without being a huge strain on finances" completely agree with you on this.

I know there are many that are very and i do mean very serious about EU and their investment which i can understand but not me since i'm just a low level player that want to have some fun

 

[Erza]

You are geting this Limited armor A.R.C. Inaugurates (L) not the one you post screenshoot

http://www.entropedia.info/Info.aspx?chart=Armor&name=A.R.C._Inaugurates_(L)

If you have read my post you should know that i do know that the one we get now is the L one but my whole post is about bringing back the UL one

 

[Erza]

Personally I avoid using most userbound items except for webshop Adj.Harrier and Z12 finisher.
Yes I get userbound items since its often part of a mission chain and I've shot the mobs anyways. *shrug*
Except Viceroy, I farmed the mats, but kept mats in 2 jars on Ark storage for past year+.
I'll leave mats there and see how I feel about viceroy in another year or two.

Guess I just see userbound items as freebie/newbie/webshop-starter stuff which is fitting for userbound.
But EU is supposed to be RCE and anything equal or better then graduation armor should be tradable imo.
I've no plans to ever get Cyrene's Limited armor, and if the UL armor returns I'd probably get if not bound.


So after some thought regarding ecotrons I've no plans to bother getting one atm.
Because I've no interest in limited ecotrons, and there's what? maybe 4 UL ecotrons in EU now?

After searching this forum and PCF the first players got ecotrons back in Jan 2015...
And since then there's actually not that many players who are vocal about having ecotrons removed from game, or made user bound, or make them all limited, or whatever. Seems like a lot of other players got bored with replying to the same thing over and over again, plus others stopped after the armor fiasco.

However there's over 700 other weapons with better effective-dpp listed in Entropedia.info.
(click column "Dmg/PEC", click "All" at lower left to show 500 items/page, click page 2 scroll mid-way down) (PS. page 5 has about 400 more weapons without any DPP entered!)

Also I have to wonder if MA/Team Cyrene have plans to introduce a third bigger ecotron!?.
"- Ecotron v. 42e and Ecotron v.42e Prototype are now correctly use Weapon Cells."
http://cyreneforum.com/threads/planet-cyrene-september-30th-2015-mini-patch-notes.7094/#post-23470


I highly doubt MA/Team Cyrene plan to change the ecotrons themselves after over 2 years in game.
But only MA/Team Cyrene knows if they might change the way(costs) players can get them...

Yep, the Adj Hariier and Z12 are awesome to use
I don't like L stuff either, i rather have a bound UL one than a tradable L one but that is just me
If there is only 4 UL ecotrons in whole EU and 2 went to the same person?
That's not right and of any good
Guess we just have to wait and see what PP/MA will do about this

 

[RiverRun]

There are more then 4 there are 6 of the 15 and 3 of the 26. And they have only been dropping since october.

 

[Hec]

There are more then 4 there are 6 of the 15 and 3 of the 26. And they have only been dropping since october.

Earliest UL ecotrons is october 2016, but announced with specs in 2015.
http://www.cyreneforum.com/threads/ecotron-v-15e.6909/#post-25440
Earliest L ecotron for sale on forums was Mar 22, 2015
http://cyreneforum.com/threads/i-found-a-cyrene-secret-on-calypso.6852/#post-21251

My previous post states earliest ecotrons.
When I write in plurals on such a broad topic I never think of any need to write (L)+(UL).
Therefore MA+Cyrene devs have left them in game for Over 2 years.
Anyways hopefully we get another mission chain soon for those v.42b .

 

[Erza]

Just an update, got like 59 badges now so in a few months time i will have 200 or around summer 2017
I don't do them every day but it's going alright

I do hope that PP will update/adjust the system so everyone that have 200 gets a chance to buy whatever is in the HuB store
I don't like L stuff but i just might get that L armor just for the reason that it looks very cool and a bit like Bison armor.lol
So i'll use it as a set of clothes
Bison from mortal kombat that is.lol

Link, https://www.google.nl/search?q=mortal kombat bison&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMh_7V98TSAhUCJ8AKHYN7CWwQ_AUIBigB

 

[krasko]

Just an update, got like 59 badges now so in a few months time i will have 200 or around summer 2017
I don't do them every day but it's going alright

I do hope that PP will update/adjust the system so everyone that have 200 gets a chance to buy whatever is in the HuB store
I don't like L stuff but i just might get that L armor just for the reason that it looks very cool and a bit like Bison armor.lol
So i'll use it as a set of clothes
Bison from mortal kombat that is.lol

Link, https://www.google.nl/search?q=mortal kombat bison&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMh_7V98TSAhUCJ8AKHYN7CWwQ_AUIBigB

You can do better than 59. I mean most of initial one time missions are doable.
You can easy gather ~100 on the 1st week http://cyrenesecrets.com/arc-rank-1/
Cheat: Imperium Pilot mission - Imperium dummy will count L2 no dmg.

Unlimited access to L items on TT price is different than just L stuff

 

[Erza]

You can do better than 59. I mean most of initial one time missions are doable.
You can easy gather ~100 on the 1st week http://cyrenesecrets.com/arc-rank-1/
Cheat: Imperium Pilot mission - Imperium dummy will count L2 no dmg.

Unlimited access to L items on TT price is different than just L stuff

Thanks for the motivation mate and thanks for this "Cheat: Imperium Pilot mission - Imperium dummy will count L2 no dmg.
I will logon lateron and try to get that 1 done
Thing is that everytime i sit down to play i always have a chat with my lady as she sits next to me behind her PC and there is always something that needs some chatting about lol
Today i did all 5 daily's and also the Empi one and it all took me from say 15:30 to about 18:45 or so

I had some breaks to take care of my budgies parakeets, than i've help out with dinner(played a bit), than it's time to eat dinner(played a bit) and than it's time for a nice hot cup of tea(played a bit) and so on
That is how it always goes.lol

But i am pretty pleased with this progress nontheless
I will try to do more of those 1 time ones but it all depends on the level of the Bots/Mobs.
I can go up to max Level 30 Bots/Mobs i think but that does depend on their damage stats

About this "Unlimited access to L items on TT price is different than just L stuff "
So does this means that there are enough L armor/weapons to go around for everyone that reach Rank 1?

 

[krasko]

About this "Unlimited access to L items on TT price is different than just L stuff "
So does this means that there are enough L armor/weapons to go around for everyone that reach Rank 1?

Armor supplies are ok.
Unfortunately L rifles still very rare.

 

[Erza]

Armor supplies are ok.
Unfortunately L rifles still very rare.

Ahh, i see and thanks for the info on this
Well, at least i can get one of those armor set to use a set of clothing

 

[bella]

Whatever needs to happen it needs to happen quickly!!!!

As it was mentioned before by other people the current system is faulty as hell and need improvement. We were all gathering badges from day 1 for the rewards, the armor reward that was provised was later dropped due to a "mistake" been made. Now the way the guns are being released ingame is not fair. No doubt it favours campers and people that have no life other then play EU from dusk till dawn. IMO one gun per player seems to be the better option no doubt, but how to regulate this?How to make sure people will not just create Alts and get their hands on loads of guns and ressel?

As we discuss this and Cyrene team takes their time ironing things out, we normal people with a life, jobs, family that are not able to play EU for 24/7 have little or no hope to get the reward we were promissed, whilst others (although not doing nothing wrong apart from camping their ass off) get their hands on the guns. Two guns for the same person is like 10k in the pedcard easily, for doing what? Like others have said camping is now being rewarded not the loyal players of Cyrene, although Florian has been around Cyrene for time now its not right that only a certain few get the gun.

Even more because its the normal people that depo to play the game as they have limited time to play and most rather do more exciting things rather then staring at an NPC all day and night. Being a player that deposits I do not feel its right for someone i.e. that does not depo at all but just turned in sweat to get the badges and gathers lime tokens to sell in order to buy shrapnel and then camps to get a UL gun that can then sell for 4k ped. To be honest its unfair situations like this that lead players to leave Cyrene and never come back.

Yee i agree 100% and fix need

 

[Hec]

Since so many no longer care about RCE, perhaps Cyrene devs talk with MA about getting a system where:
- anyone who completes the missions and gains access to the NPC
- also has their account show new items in webshop within 24hrs after meeting the requirements
- Userbound UL Ecotron v.15eW, v.26bW, v.42eW are all available at 1000 USD/each (equivalent of 10k ped)
- And yes the players can purchase one of each because their skills will grow
Suggesting 1000 USD since theres plenty (700) more eco weapons ingame with top 250 sell around 2.5k+/-k
Meanwhile keep everything in game as it is for players who prefer RCE, have patience, and like the challenge.

 

[John Galt]

I've reached the conclusion that the system is flawed.

• Is the current camping system fair? - Nah not really as it doesnt really reward loyal cyrene players as long as you have 200 badges
• Does the current system tempt players to use macros/autoclickers? - Yes as the drops are very sporadic its tempting to use a macro to make sure that if a drop comes you'll be the one getting it. (I suspect that people already are doing this, not pointing any fingers but it seems like it)
• Does the current system promote cyrene as a bot-free, active planet? - No not at all, campers create no revenue for the PP whilst standing there and cyrene being seen as a place where you camp for UL-weapons isn't great for anyone.
• Could this system be improved in order to fix these problems? Ofc they could, and the PP would benefit as well.

I don't see it like that.
200 badges is about 3 weeks at best dedicating a few hours every single day to token missions. Not sure that doesn't make the account both active and local.
The current system that people claim to invite for boting, also includes a ban for the boter. If C-team or MA bans or issues a warning to someone on the first 1 hour he bots, it is totally unworthy to invest TIME to get the 200 badges on the boting account to begin with. And absolutely non worthy on someone's main account.
I tend to believe that as boting is against the User Licence Agreement, and such agreement is enforced by either C-team or MA. Just report a bot when you go to Hub and you see someone there looks like a bot. The responsibility lies with the player as much as with the enforcer. We commit to report, they commit to act.

As I see it the problem lies with the boting not bringing the dire consequences one would expect. If boting was to be removed from the equation, there would be no issue. If a person camps a shop, he is investing IRL time. Its like sweating to play for free, the exact opposite as chipping-in a skill, where you are investing money. As I see it, time nd money are equaly worth resources. Some have a good job and can afford to fork out some cash. Some have loads of time and no cash and invest time instead. Neither is a problem and I think this is fair.

That is probably true, but you arent really participating in the economy when camping for a weapon. I'd rather be hunting/mining/crafting and contributing to the PP than standing down here in the HUB waiting for something that might never happen.

Wouldnt it be better if we had a system that encouraged both loyalty and activity? It seems like that would atleast be better for the planet partner.

Didn't the person participate in the economy for the length of acquiring 200 badges? I have a fourth of that in a week and a half and I can tell you that I for one feel I have been participating my ass off... which includes small night sleeps and playing on work hours.

 

[Hatten]

I don't see it like that.

I tried to explain this to you yesterday in cyrene chat but I'll explain a bit further.

Botting is a problem in EU and Mindark hasn't been strict in regards to botting, there are several ongoing bot-discussions on PCF where its rather evident that the person in question is botting but nothing happens. Eitherway, a system that promotes botting is a bad system.

Time and peds isn't equal in EU, never has been nor will it be. This is a business and not like the real world in that sense, it would be useless to promote systems that awards time from a business sense, thats why Entropia has gotten more streamlined over the years so that players can spend money instead of time. PEDs > time, thats just the way it is in this game.

Gathering the badges is not the issue we're discussing here, it's the distribution system for the rewards from gathering those badges. By camping you are not at all contributing to cyrene, you're just leeching of the PP/MA/other players resources/actions. The current system awards passiveness rather than active participation in this game.

It is unfair that those who actively play on cyrene misses out on the rewards that are rewarded for being active. The system should award participation and a more active cyrene. This makes sense for players but more importantly for the PP as the alternative cost of this system is a lot higher than other options that have been presented in this thread.

You were questioning the activity level on cyrene but yet you defend this system? It seems like you are contradicting yourself.